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and we should be very patient about this matter. >> so there you have it. mr. camping is checking his notes. if you'll just be patient. all you rapture doubters, pipe down. make yourselves comfortable, and let me know if you see a sign at the end times on the ridiculous. that's it for us. erin burnett out front starts right now. >> we're on the front line in texas tonight. a judge videotaped beating his daughter. justin bieber's baby. i'm sorry. we cannot resist this one. the bottom line on newt gingrich. he weighs in on the race and on herman cain. let's go "out front." i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, it's
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getting downright messy. a third woman has come forward with accusations of sexual harassment. the cain campaign is calling this is a baseless allegation. herman cain said a perry advisor leaked the story. the perry campaign denied that to us but mentioned other ties between the romney campaign and the leak. the come knee cam han has denied that. you get the picture. we asked nut gingrich what he thought about this leaking about herman cain. >> if it turns out that a republican presidential candidate deliberately went out and created this kind of a story about a fellow candidate, that they would pretty rapidly become a pariah and they would fire the people that did it.
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that's despicable behavior. that's the worst behavior. we need to be unified to beat barack obama. i don't know who did it it. i'm not taking herman's word for it but they better fire all involved in the next 24 hours because that's the kind of behavior i find totally repulsive in this political system. >> the story is developing and we're going to have more later in the hour for you, but now back to speaker gingrich and this issue which really is at the heart of this, how much of these sorts of things are fair game. do you think the question of morality in a presidential candidate is fair and important? >> no, i don't think it's unimportant but i think it's a question of whether you're talking about the totality of his life or you go back and
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dredge things up. i think there's a desire in the washington press corps to cover gossip over policy as often as possible. just look at the twitter thing a couple months ago with congressman weiner, which was a stupid thing for him to do and a sign he's a stupid person but that covered a lot more time and attention than did all sorts of public policy issues that are vastly more important to the lives of the american people. >> i think it's fair to say everyone should be focusing on the serious issues, but i guess the question is, what is serious and what isn't? time will tell on this one with mr. cain. let me ask you this, the republican field has had some nasty fights, at the last cnn debate, romney and perry almost came to blows. i don't know what you were thinking out there, but i was thinking fight, fight, fight. i'll be honest, i thought they were literally going to come to blows, they looked so angry. >> they weren't coming to blows any more than obama and hillary clinton were about to come to blows at one point in their debates. i didn't think what they, that mitt romney was very clever in putting his hand on perry, but that's, look, that's nothing. we're having a serious legitimate series of discussions. we have good candidates. we have different approaches. i think, frankly, the news media would love and you know this from various leaked stories about planning for the debates, the news media loves covering fights. it doesn't like covering substance which it regards as boring and likely to lose audience. i think that's overdone. i've tried all i could to get our candidates to focus directly on the main competitor, whose name is barack obama. i didn't think what they, that mitt romney was very clever in putting his hand on perry, but that's, look, that's nothing. we're having a serious
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legitimate series of discussions. we have good candidates. we have different approaches. i think, frankly, the news media would love and you know this from various leaked stories about planning for the debates, the news media loves covering fights. it doesn't like covering substance which it regards as boring and likely to lose audience. i think that's overdone. i've tried all i could to get our candidates to focus directly on the main competitor, whose name is barack obama. it's not perry it's not romney, it's not anybody else. >> let me ask you about barack obama, the past week there's been a big jump. today the poll ratings came out, he jumped 6% or 7%. he beats all the republican candidates, including you in any matchup in the latest polls, and i'm curious, because your own polls you tripled. you were at 3%, now at 10%. you're jumping. he now beats all of you and i think the reason for that is that the market did well in october, the economy grew more than people thought and people were surprised it wasn't as terrible as they expected to be. do you think the economy needs to get worse, we need a really bad economy in order for any of you to win?
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>> no. no. >> why into the? >> i think if you go back and look at jimmy carter's poll at the same stage he was beating ronald reagan almost 2-1. people look at 9% unemployment, $2 trillion a year deficits, failed government system, radical values, i don't think they're going to want four more years of that kind of policy, and i think he's going to lose badly next year. >> about rick perry, this brought a smile to my face. i'll show the video of rick perry with a postcard in his hand, i think, an idea with which you are very familiar, your economic plan came out in may, you said you wanted a "optional flat tax" that would allow americans the freedom to choose to file their taxes on a postcard. your rate was 15% instead of his 20%. so you think you came in and took that idea from him? it seems the same, optionality and the postcard. >> no. look, let's be fair.
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i took a lot of my tenth amendment enforcement idea from rick perry, a great governor of texas and i think he has a good idea about enforcing the tenth amendment. it's perfectly fair for him to got in. i think he got the idea from steve forbes. i'm delighted governor perry adopted it. we'll debate my 15% rate versus his 20% but at least we're in the same zone having a good policy discussion. >> i have to say it, you're being the statesman or the gentleman here. let me ask you about the 15%. there's no way you would claim it to be revenue neutral. >> no, not even trying to be revenue neutral. what i'm trying to do -- why would you expect me to accept some washington insider standard that i think is nonsense? my primary goal is to create jobs. if we create enough jobs and 9% plus unemployment, if you get, and by the way if you count underemployment and people dropped out of the workforce, it is 16% or 18% or 19%.
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if you get back to where reagan was and back to where i was when i left the office as speaker, we were at 4.2% unemployment. when reagan left the office as president, he had cut the unemployment rate by more than half. we created 1,100,000 jobs in september of 1983, that's ten times the number of jobs obama created in october of this year. so -- >> ronald reagan though -- >> fir of all i would argue, go ahead. >> ronald reagan's top tax rate during his time in office was hovering 50%, when he cut it, then it got cut to 38.5%, so still higher than where we are now. >> that's right, but it was at the time a very dramatic and very deep tax cut which virtually every member of the establishment of both parties was' posed to. one of them even called it voodoo economics. he later on became reagan's vice president. the fact is it worked.
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my argument is we will have more people working, they will use less medicaid, less food stamps, less unemployment, less welfare, less public housing. they will be paying tax, taking care of their families. >> and how much in terms of cuts. i'd done the math on rick perry's plan at the 20% rate, five percentage points above yours and to hit that, he had a spending cap you could only spend 18.5% of the economy if you were our government. his numbers, i would have had to cut $892 billion from the federal budget in one year, just to hit that. so yours would, according to that math be even more. are you going to be able to get all that amount of cut out of government quickly? >> first of all, you have to start with 18.5% of what size gdp? are you talking about the anemic underperforming obama virtually depression level gdp or are you talking about a robust, prosperous 4% unemployment gdp? those are two very big different numbers. it depends on what you get a percentage of. >> in your economic plan as you went through things, you said on entitlement programs, you would
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have fundamental reform of entitlement programs, that's what it says. i wanted to ask you, would you be willing to say, i am running to be a one-term president because i'm going to slash and i'm going to fix this and stand up to special interests, whether they be banks, whether they be seniors and those aarp ads we've been seeing, where there's been an implicit threat that seniors won't vote for anyone who is going to cut medicare? would you be able to say that i care enough to go one term and fix it. >> why would you assume fixing all the times is anti-democratic, small "d" and that people are going to dislike it? i want to run to be a two-term president because we solved so many of your problems, that you're so happy with full employment, you're so happy with our moves to a balanced budget, you're so happy with a better social security system, a better medicare system, a better federal government, that you're thrilled to -- you know, ronald reagan carried 49 states for re-election because people actually liked economic growth. they liked what he was doing. the trick is to have better solutions leading to a better future and then people reelect you because you provided positive leadership.
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it's only in washington people think you have to punish people into a better future. >> i have to applaud you for the optimism that you think you can fix it, take the pain, have the growth, make up for it all in time for another election. thank you very much. i appreciate you taking the time this afternoon. >> thank you. >> as you can see the speaker pretty direct, not trying to argue for revenue neutrality. it would be a very different administration under newt gingrich. we'll talk about what he had to say about herman cain and still out front that poll that shows president obama's approval rating up almost six percentage points. what is the reason? you heard my view. our panel weighs in next. a then, four members of a mill labor sha group planning to attack government buildings and kill civilians, they appeared in court today.
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the number tonight five, cinco, that's how many guns tsa airport screeners find at checkpoints on an average day, according to tsa administrator john pistole. seriously? wait, that's another segment. the most common excuse the passenger forgot the gun was in his or her bag. seriously. okay, earlier in the show, newt gingrich was talking tough about the herman cain sexual
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harassment scandal and claims from herman cain that one of his former advisers who worked for him six, seven years ago on a senate campaign and now is an adviser for rick perry was responsible for the leak. now perry's campaign told us not true. perry's communication instructor said "no one of our campaign was involved in this story in any way. any claim to the contrary is patently false. the first we learned of it was when we read the story in politico." then mitt romney's people were targeted, they said basically gimme a break. john avalon, does it matter? it does matter. you have a third allegation herman cain was dismissing? >> this story is proliferating on three fronts. "the washington post" reporting a third woman worked at the restaurant association in the late 1990s and was harassed as well but did not file suit. second of all the back and forth of the cain and perry campaign. herman cain accusing curt anderson who now works for
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perry, he felt anderson is the source of the leak. perry denying it. a third person, chris wilson, our own gloria borger spoke to on the phone, an oklahoma based pollster who witnessed of cain harassing a woman or acting inappropriately at a crystal city restaurant in the late 1990s as well, he doing work for a political action work supporting perry. it's real time and getting uglier. >> it is getting uglier and perhaps unfairly, who knows, right, we'll see. interesting abc news is reporting tonight they looked into the women saying that herman cain had suggested at least one of the women was a poor worker, but their investigation found both women
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that we know about from the national restaurant association have gone on to successful careers in and around government. >> what we have is everyone is entitled to presumption of innocence. we have what appears to be a pattern and not corresponding with mr. cain's initial version of events and that's how this has gotten out of control. he keeps changing his story and now it's a clash between the campaigns. the real problem is that cain denied this outright and now it appears he was discussing it with one of his close campaign advisers back in 2004 when he was running for the senate in georgia. >> the man he's now accusing. we bring in jamal simmons, democratic strategist and gop strategist carey ann ready. karen, what is your bottom line? this isn't going away any time soon. >> nope. >> anyone who thought this would blow over quickly t hasn't. could this dramatically change the field in your view? >> sure, and there's additional developments. you've gone through a lot of process which i'm not sure is
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terribly relevant about who leaked what when but you've got an attorney for one of the women who is meeting with the restaurant association attorney tomorrow, and asking if they will lift the gag order. if women start talking we're going to have a he said/she said and probably going to drag on through the weekend. this is not good for herman cain and not good for a lot of the people who have been defending herman cain saying this say witch hunt and just race-baiting by the media and liberals and all of the other. they're saying it makes everyone look bad. it's making all of the gop candidates look bad now. >> it would be interesting, though, if what newt gingrich said actually happened, we find out who did the leak, john avalon, and rick perry or mitt romney, if it came from their campaigns, big if, said you know what, you're fired. >> if that's accountability, i will be shocked because the likelihood is the candidate themselves probably doesn't know
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about this research. it's usually done at the level below the candidate. >> right, which is that fair point. jamal, in the backdrop here is that six percentage point jump in approval ratings for president barack obama. that is big. it's a dramatic jump. it's a quick jump. >> i think the economic news has something to do it but i think we're seeing a very different president obama over the last few weeks than we've seen over the last couple of years. the president has been out very consistently every day, every week, talking about his jobs plan, passing individual executive orders, to actually improve people's lives on a variety of fronts and americans more than anything else, they really respond to strong leadership and i think over the last few weeks he's been displaying a very strong form of
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leadership that people are responding to and we can see that develop going further, i think you'll see the poll numbers stay up. >> interesting, john, what we have seen for the republicans, we've seen fund-raising up. newt gingrich you'll hear, broke some news on "outfront" in his fund-raising but he and cain and others jumped in the past few days. and there is chaos in the republican field. when there is mudslinging and between republicans, two people benefit. first obama by comparison and probably mitt romney who stays above the fray. >> we talked about herman cain. one more thing. >> yep. >> it's time to show a little bit of leadership. he's showing liberal on race issues. he's blaming perry for having leaked it. blaming politico. he has known about it for years. he's got to accept responsibility for his own behavior. >> appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you. >> four men appeared in a georgia courtroom charged with
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plotting to attack. they are 65 to 70 years old. they were going to use explosives in a highly explosive agent to attack people. >> these men hated the government and had a plan to kill a lot of people and that included buying ammunition and purchasing a deadly toxin and spreading it on highways in newark, new jersey, atlanta, and georgia. >> that would indicate a lot of
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casualties. one of the men charged in the plot said, the first ones that need to die is the ones in the government buildings. do you know what government offices were actually threatened or their feeling about casualties, given what you said about highways in new jersey? >> their plan was to target the atf building in atlanta >> wow, that's just shocking. so how was the plot allegedly finally cracked? >> reporter: you know, all along, confidential informants were following the actions of these men, tipping off investigators and when it got to a point when the men were ready to purchase the ammunition, to purchase the explosives, that is when we're told investigators stepped in. >> george, thank you very much. we'll keep following this for us. thanks again. okay, "outfront" next, 100 members of congress calling on the super committee to not be eunochs. a french magazine purchased
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about. we focus on our own reporting, do the work. newt gingrich, i asked him what should happen if another campaign leaked the sexual harassment allegations about herman cain. here's what he said. >> i have no idea. i'd want to see the evidence, but i would say if it turns out that a republican presidential
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candidate deliberately went out and created this kind of a story about a fellow candidate, that they would pretty rapidly become a pariah among the rest of us and they'd better fire the people who did it. >> gingrich also made some news about his own fund-raising. >> monday we raised i think about $125,000. we raised more than that on tuesday. we actually raised about 50% more on monday and tuesday than we raised in all the month of july. it's continuing again today. i think over 2,200 people have donated in the last 48 hours, just from all over the country. >> 48-hour total. number two, russian arms dealer viktor bout was found guilty of selling guns, missiles to al qaeda and other terrorist groups. selling illegal weapons is too profitable, little fear of prosecution for bout to disappear. bout the so-called merchant of death faces life in prison. there are more where he came from.
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we're learning more about jon corzine's pay package. we told you earlier that he's probably not going to get a golden parachute because his stock price is zero but he got $383,000 in lawyers bills paid for by the company that's now bankrupt. brian foley of foley & company told us that number will pale in comparison to the legal fees he's facing from now on. number four, the federal reserve keeping the interest rates at zero. chairman ben bernanke described the economic growth as frustratingly slow but we want to highlight what he said was positive. >> looking further ahead, economic growth is expected to pick up somewhat as a result of improving financial conditions, strengthening consumer and business confidence, and the continuation of a highly accommodative stance of monetary policy. >> we'll see how much progress the fed is making on unemployment. the jobs report comes friday,
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that's big. so is this. it's been 89 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? we can get it back and fast if the super committee has the guts to do its job. it is not too late. they got even more pressure today when a group of 100 congressmen signed the letter we first told you about here on "outfront" friday which called for more than three times more cuts than the $1.2 trillion the super committee has to find. now it took a few days to get the signatures, but today, the names were out, 60 democrats and 40 republicans. they asked the super committee to "put everything on the table." yes, that includes tax increases and spending cuts. if the super committee doesn't act, america could get another
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downgrade and lose the world's confidence. two congressmen who led that letter, representative mike simpson of idaho and representative heath shulman from north carolina. it's a pleasure to see a democrat and republican side by side. you don't look like you got the cooties. representative shuler, you got 100 signatures out of 435 members in congress. how many did you ask to sign? >> we spent a few days to ask on the house floor and i spent time on the republican side and mike on the democrat side, we tried to get as many members as we possibly can. we have 100 now, even after the letter went out today members were calling our offices asking if they could be on the letter, we'll increase the number day by day. even those who didn't sign the letter they were in favor of a bipartisan way to put pressure on the super committee and let them know also we're there behind them. >> so you have 23% of congress on board. i don't want to throw a wet blanket.
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we're excited about the letter but that's not enough to get it to pass if you had some deal out of the super committee. when you say 100, is that a barometer of success or gosh only 23%, that's sad. >> well, i would tell you that getting 100 members of congress to do anything together is pretty hard to do. and we've only been at this for about a week trying to get these signatures and i think it's remarkable that we got 100 signatures to sign a letter that said, put everything on the table. there were republicans that were obviously nervous about the revenue aspect of it, there were democrats that were obviously nervous about the mandatory spending provision of it, but yet i think every member of congress knows that something's got to be done and it's got to be done in a big way, but the $1.2 trillion isn't going to cut it. >> it definitely isn't, not even close when it comes to downgrades. representative simpson, it's one thing to say you're going to reduce debt. it's another to do it and you said today it was really risky
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for people in your party, for republicans to sign anything that mentions revenue, translation, tax increases. >> right. >> representative shuler had said he was prepared to lose his seat to get this done. are you willing to do that, too? >> well, i think everybody that signed that letter is putting their seat at risk because there are going to be people that misinterpret what you're trying to do or don't feel like you ought to be looking at everything. there are people obviously that don't want to raise taxes, don't want to increase revenues and people don't think we need any reforms to the mandatory spending, the medicare and social security. but the reality is, is you cannot get to $4 trillion and we'd like to see it even go higher but you cannot get to $4 trillion by just looking at one-half of the equation. you have to look at everything, and that's what we're encouraging the super committee to do. >> i wanted to ask all of you this, it's a very simple, kind of to make a point to people this isn't that complicated if everything is on the table. we did some math. i want to throw it out to both of you if. if you let the bush tax cuts expire for everyone, revenue goes up by $2.8 trillion over
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ten years, so if that's 50% of the deal, then you do $2.8 trillion of spending cuts on the other side, entitlements, you get a total of $5.6 trillion. that would solve the problem. that's big. is that something congressman shuler that you think should be on the table? >> i think it all can be on the table and on the revenue said you can lower the rate, and broaden the base and you actually gain that much revenue in addition to the savings that you can have in medicare, medicaid and social security. >> we didn't want to get into the specifics of how to do it. what we're saying is, everything's got to be on the table. we're willing to look at everything and we're willing to make a tough vote and i don't care what that committee comes out with. it is going to be some difficult votes. >> it is and we applaud and are rooting for both of you to get it done and get a whole lot more signatures. so thanks to both of you, congressman shuler and simpson for being with us. >> thank you, erin. up next a texas judge videotaped beating his disabled daughter. we have the disturbing details and what is going to happen to the father.
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pervert." when would you do that? we do this at the same time every night our outer circle where we check our sources around the world and first tonight to paris, where the offices of a french magazine were fire bombed today. this was the same day it was expected to publish this controversial cover of the prophet mohammed. we blurred it because of obvious reasons, but it shows a bearded cartoon figure, also turban. monita rajpal has been following the story. anita what happened today? >> the issue was going to have on its cover a bearded cartoon figure of the prophet mohammad saying "100 lashes if you are not charged with laughter. sharia abdul would be what they described as a mock celebration of the islamist party that won tunisia's elections and the libya transitional government saying they will use islamic law in the country. the cartoonists were trying to provoke discussion and was not meant to offend.
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the office was bombed 1:00 a.m. local time and an investigation is under way. >> thank you. to london after losing a court battle stay in the uk, wikileaks founder julian assange is headed to sweden to face questions about sex charges. nima elbaguer, will he try to appeal? >> well, he seems to be nearing the end of the road in his fight against extradition. a british judge ruled against assange's assertion that the allegations against him were unfair and inaccurate. the court has now given assange three weeks to come up with an argument based on a wider public significance for his desire to remain in the country. if he doesn't achieve that, then within ten days of that date, assange could be back in sweden facing prosecutors there. >> thanks so much, nima. and now back to france, where becky anderson is
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following the g-20 summit in cannes. they talked about the complete debacle with the crisis. what do leaders want? >> reporter: clarity, coordination, coherency, what the world wants to see from leaders here at the g-20 summit, that is not what they're getting. what the world needs at this point is some action on sustainable growth and on jobs creation. nearly every part of the world needs that, we're not getting it as of yet, meeting officially kicked off thursday. let's see what we get then. >> thank you very much, becky. it's a disturbing video that's gone viral. it is difficult to watch. we had trouble watching it. in it you see william adams, a county judge in texas, whipping his disabled 16-year-old daughter, hillary, as a punishment, she says, for downloading music and games on the internet. >> bend over that bed.
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>> dad. >> bend over that bed. bend over the bed. >> no. >> bend over the bed. >> stop. stop. stop. >> bend over the bed. i'm going to keep hitting you on your legs. lay down or i'll spank your [ expletive ] face. >> this video was taken in 2004, posted on youtube just a couple of days ago by the girl, hillary adams. after receiving hundreds of complaints the county issued a statement saying "aransas county is aware of the video posted on youtube regarding the county court at law judge william adams, and the matter is now under review by the police department." adams admitted to the incident. >> in my mind i haven't done anything wrong after disciplining my child after she was caught stealing. i lost my temper. there is a story and i apologized. >> reporter: you don't deny that's new the video? >> yes, that's me. >> what do you think, paul?
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>> when your producer called me about this i was stunned when i looked at this video. it's unwatchable after four or five minutes. you have to turn it off. my initial reaction was charge him with a crime, disbar him as an attorney and throw him off the bench. i think that's the feeling that most people would have. this guy is a family court judge. what is he doing on the bench, but when i started researching it, erin, it's going to be a much harder situation than you might think. >> why is that? >> one, criminal charges, very, very difficult because there's a statute of limitations, and this happened six years ago, and you can't tell from the video if she sustained a physical injury, which is usually required to make out a felony charge, so it's probably a form of child endangerment. prosecutors are looking at that and going to have a real hard time bringing criminal charges. that leaves then will he be disbarred as an attorney? maybe. >> can you disbar without being
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convicted or having those charges? >> very, very difficult, and that is into the last issue, can you throw him off the bench? yes, i think you can do that. he's a family court judge. this shows incredibly bad character and bad judgment. >> which means to interrupt you, family court judge means you are constantly making decisions on what is the line between discipline and abuse. >> exactly. exactly. but the one other thing that's going to be problematic for those who look at this tape and actually get sick because this guy has done this horrible thing to his disabled daughter is that, in texas, there's a substantial number of people who think corporal punishment is warranted, and there's probably no law that absolutely bans it. so this thing is going to get very complicated. >> this gets into the spanking debate. this was not spanking but that's kind of what you're saying? people have -- >> it's a form of spanking. people who, not like yourself, but who can remember life in the
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'50s and early '60s. >> oh, it went on much longer than that, of course. yes. >> people used to spank their kids with a belt. dad used to take a belt out sometimes, not in my case, my younger brothers maybe but not me. i used to talk my way out of it but the bottom line on it is we don't count that today. even in texas even if you believe in spanking occasionally, when you look at that tape, that's child abuse and she's disabled. she has a disability, cerebral palsy supposedly and so i think she was abused. it is child endangerment. only question, has the statute of limitations run? i'm sure we'll hear from texas prosecutors soon on that. >> we will and hopefully hear more from william adams. he says there's more i think everyone wants to hear it. >> i'd like to hear he's resigning from the bench. >> paul, thank you very much. good to see you as always. the jury hasn't even heard the closing arguments in the case of michael jackson's doctor but already there are rumors circulating, yes, everyone, about a book deal and a documentary for dr. ron rad murray. murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter, faces up to four years in prison if he
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is found guilty although we pointed out it may be possible for him to serve actual jail time if guilty. the jury is expected to get the case tomorrow in los angeles. ted rowlands has been in the courtroom every single day. ted, what is the latest documentary book deal? >> well, nobody wants to talk about it, erin, but clearly there's something going on here. there's an author that sits in court every day behind conrad murray next to his mother and he's been there for pretty much the duration of the trial and there have been swirling human rumors about a documentary deal that possibly or may have been inked. but nobody has talked about it. >> interesting. that does add something to the story. if he's not found guilty, he can close the deal. but if he's found guilty, will
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be he be able to it, they pre-loaded it and he was paid for the rights to a movie and a book, then the transaction would have already transpired before any guilty verdict and as long as he spent the money, he's got four attorneys he has to pay, i don't think that they could get that money at all. >> interesting. okay, closing arguments begin tomorrow, as we said, it was dark today, but around noon, any indication of how long that will go? >> well, the judge is going to start with jury instructions expected to last about an hour, maybe an hour and a half, and then the prosecution gets an unlimited closing argument, the defense gets their argument, and then the prosecution gets to go again so the idea that the jury will have any time to actually deliberate tomorrow probably not. i suspect they'll start deliberations on friday. >> ted, we'll talk to you then, thank you. >> you bet. let's check in with anderson cooper. anderson what do you have for us? a t-shirt that says i'm a
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when we were in china, we saw this sign. civilized home dining and the front says close relations between family members. not always a good thing. but it's sometimes called
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ching-lish and it's a broadway play. >> thank you for having me. >> you use some of the signs in the play? >> yeah. one of my favorite ones is a sign for handicapped restrooms that says deformed man's toilet. that found its way into the play. >> there's something a little american-centric, making fun of the way that they translate, which is very fair to say that very few americans attempt to speak chinese at all. >> we're trying to be even handed in the play. one of the things that our lead character says, if you're in america, you probably don't speak an f'ing foreign language and we don't even try to make bilingual signs.
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>> and the t-shirts, "i am pervert" and when he was trying to say, i love you. now, you were born here? >> uh-huh. >> and your parents are immigrants. now, did you grow up speaking chinese? >> i actually don't speak chinese. i'm just as guilty as any other american. i took mandarine in college but essentially it's really lousy. >> so one of the fun things when i was watching the play, that i noticed, is that your audience is very mixed. i didn't know what to expect. but you had obviously americans, you had people that could either be chinese-american or pure chinese. >> uh-huh. >> is that what your goal was, to bring all of those people together, or did it surprise you that that is what was happening? >> we get kaukdss and chinese-americans and all chinese. they all laugh together. it's not like we are making fun of one group more the other. >> americans, though, are scared of china. in a lot of ways it's seem as a
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threat. maybe a country that we can't do without but maybe we felt like we could. did you have a goal of changing how people essentially see the super powers? >> yeah, i think it's really easy for chinese to reduce americans and americans to reduce american to a monolithic image and they say, americans are so smart, they got us to buy all of their debt and sometimes americans think, they are so smart, they manipulate their currency and we'll never be that smart. but it takes two important powers and we need to be able to cooperate or nobody is going to move forward. >> all right. i think we can all agree on that, at least on this show. thank you
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